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Presentation: Gregor Hohpe on Conversations Between Loosely Coupled Services

by Stefan Tilkov on Aug 08, 2007 |
Interactions between loosely-coupled services are simple, as long as only two parties are involved, and their interaction is of the synchronous, blocking, request/reply variety. But concepts become more complex when long-running conversations and asynchronous interactions need to be supported.

In this new InfoQ presentation, recorded at JAOO, Google architect Gregor Hohpe introduces various concepts for to manage more complex interactions between services, including conversations, choreography, and orchestration. He provides a down-to-earth look at these concepts along with the associated Web services standards like WS-BPEL and WS-CDL, and identifies common patterns in service conversation.

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WS-BPEL and WS-CDL should live together by Paulo Michels

I think WS-BPEL and WS-CDL can and should live together, each one giving its best. As Hohpe said, WS-BPEL is intended for process execution, but focus just on one side of the conversation and in my opinion that difficults modeling large and loosely coupled systems. WS-CDL can help on modeling those system by giving a whole view of the conversations and allowing the automatic generation of the endpoints, even BPEL as described by Hohpe.
In my opinion WS-CDL is not yet enough mature and its xml syntax is not easily readable. For professional use we must get the help of tools like Pi4SOA.

Nice presentation!

Is it possible to download this Presentation? by hower eisen

Hi Floyd! The presentation system DOSE NOT works smoothly in my laptop with my ASL about 2M brandwidth. Is it possible to let us to watch InfoQ's presentation in off-portal style?

Re: WS-BPEL and WS-CDL should live together by Steve Ross-Talbot

I agree completely. I would add three things specifically:

1. The pi4soa tool suite from Pi4Tech is now pretty robust and much easier to use. It is open source so try it out.

2. We have provided BPEL generation from WS-CDL for well over 1 year. Oddly enough few people seem to really want it, rather they generate Java directly or use UML generation.

3. BPEL is not the only end point executable language but it is an important one to have under your belt.

Gregor has done a great job in explaining what WS-CDL is for. I would say that it provides a standard-based language supported by formalism to ensure correctness and methodology to ensure that it fits in the grand scheme of things and that it is positioned as a means by which architects can describe their SOA in the large and realise the SOA through a number of executable language. All of this with formal type guarantees of correctness.

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