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Is CEP a pre-requisite for EDA or SOA?
Posted by Dilip Krishnan on Nov 11, 2008
In a post Jack Van Hoof compared CEP and EDA and how they relate to an SOA. He said
CEP (Complex Event Processing) correlates multiple messages within given time frames. EDA is an architectural approach to model information systems from a business event perspective. EDA differs from SOA by its focus. SOA puts services at the center of the model and EDA does so with business events. The SOA-approach tends to result in a synchronous communication style and the EDA-approach in an asynchronous communication style.
He believes that the market does not understand EDA and explains how CEP is fundamentally different from EDA; that CEP is a tool and EDA is an architecture
CEP is not about business events by definition. CEP is a technique to process message streams. These messages do not need to represent business events. A business event is something that happens (change of state) where your business has planned to react upon in a predefined way. A business event is represented by a message, but not all messages are representations of business events. CEP is about messages, EDA is about business events. CEP can be used to implement EDA. You might say: EDA is CEP at the business level.
In response, Giles Nelson of Progress Apama, elaborated on the relationship with SOA, EDA and CEP with several key points. Joe McKendrick’s echoed a similar point of view in his post Why 'Event Driven Architecture' is more than Complex Event Processing. So also Udi Dahan, who illustrated, with a nice order-to-cash process example, how these concepts play together in a real world business problem. He summarized his position with the following remark
CEP, while being a challenging engineering field, and managing the technical risks around it necessary for a project to succeed in some circumstances, and really shines when used under the SOA/EDA umbrella, it should not be taken by itself and used at the topmost architectural levels.
Jack concludes his post with emphasis on the importance on EDA saying “I think EDA will definitely and radically change the way we currently look at business applications, including SOA”.
We have covered this debate in the past from an architecture perspective aswell. There appears to be a lot of confusion on how CEP, SOA and EDA relate to each other and its largely because of the vendors. It would be interesting to get a perspective on how these technologies are being adopted in the enterprise. What is the role of CEP in your enterprise? and how are they being used in EDA and SOA intiatives?
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They are complementary, thus they are not the same ...
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Coming to Devoxx?
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Hello Dilip,
The relationship between CEP, SOA and EDA was presented (at least) as far back as September 26, 2006 in the presentation, SOA, SOA 2.0 and EDA Defined and Illustrated with CEP/EP, located here:
www.thecepblog.com/2008/11/10/soa-soa-20-and-ed...
Regarding the "confusion," we briefed this as far back as March of 2006. You can find the background here:
www.thecepblog.com/2008/04/16/a-vocabulary-of-c...
Also, I recommend you read this follow-up post, CEP is Not a Just a Technology and Not Just a Tool, here:
www.thecepblog.com/2008/11/10/cep-is-not-a-just...
Cheers and thanks for calling out our blog post!
Yours sincerely, Tim
www.thecepblog.com
PS: I have posted around 25 CEP/EP related presentations on SlideShare (includes EDA/SOA/BPM, relationships, etc). Kindly refer to this post for more info:
www.thecepblog.com/2008/11/07/new-cep-group-on-... -
David Luckham wrote two interesting posts on his blog about it :
complexevents.com/?p=191
and complexevents.com/?p=209
Regards -
I'll be talking about this at Devoxx
www.javoxx.com/display/JV08/Complex+Event+Proce...
If anyone is going to be there let me know - this could make for interesting bar discussions!
Paul -
Dear Dilip,
I just noticed that it takes "too many clicks" to get to my online collection of CEP/EP slides (above in PS:) so, not to cause your readers to waste their valuable time clicking, here is a "one click link" directly to the slides:
www.slideshare.net/TimBassCEP/slideshows
Yours faithfully, Tim
www.thecepblog.com -
@Tim,@Hamza
Thank you for pointing to resources, It helps our readers get a further understanding of this technology space.
Best,
Dilip -
I believe that although lot of people had exposure with SOA in those past 5 years, only few had exposure to EDA and even less had hands on experience with CEP deployments. I have put things in perspective at avasseur.blogspot.com/2008/10/soa-eda-and-cep.html in a simple way using an "is an ESB a pre requisite to SOA" analogy - to which I am sure we can hear different voices even today.
For folks interested with simple hands on CEP - check out esper.codehaus.org/tutorials/tutorial/presentat... for a number of technical presentations and articles with sample code on CEP based on Esper. A good place to start for a wider view is also likely www.complexevents.com
Alex
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