Revisiting the Need for Asynchronous Servlets
Greg proposed standardizing a coordinator which could be called by the container in response to asynchronous event and would coordinate the call of the synchronous Servlet service method. The coordinator would handle the async request before a Servlet is invoked. The Coordinator entity can be defined and mapped to URL patterns just like filters and servlets. An interesting discussion also emerged on TSS at the time.
- Non-blocking input - The ability to receive data from a client without blocking if the data is slow arriving.
- Non-blocking output - The ability to send data to a client without blocking if the client or network is slow.
- Delay request handling - The comet style of Ajax web application can require that a request handling is delayed until either a timeout or an event has occurred.
- Delay response close - The comet style of Ajax web application can require that a response is held open to allow additional data to be sent when asynchronous events occur.
- 100 Continue Handling - A client may request a handshake from the server before sending a request body.
Revisiting this topic in July, Gregg has reviewed the current available and proposed solutions:
Based on these solutions Gregg concluded that continuations are the best API for supporting the majority of the asynchronous use-cases within the servlet model.
- BEA WebLogic - BEA added AbstractAsyncServlet in WebLogic 9.2 to support threadless waiting for events (be they Ajax Comet events or otherwise eg. an available JDBC connection from a pool) ... It's not really a servlet - The user cannot implement doGet or service methods to generate content so there is limited benefit from tools or programmer familiarity.
- Tomcat 6.x - After my initial blogging on this issue, the tomcat developers added CometProcessor and CometServlet (unfortunately without engaging in an open discussion as I had encouraged). It is essentially the same solution as BEAs, but with a few extras, a few gotchas and the same major issues.
- Jetty 6 Continuations - The Jetty 6 Continuation mechanism is not an extension to the Servlet API. Instead it as a suspend/resume mechanism that operates within the context of a Servlet container to allow threadless waiting and reaction to asynchronous events by retrying requests.
- ServletCoordinator - My proposed ServletCoordinator suffers from many of these same issues. It does meet one of my main concerns in that responses are generated by normal servlets code using normal techniques and within the scope of the applicable filter chain.
Does JRockit's thinthreads solve this problem?
by
Bill Poitras
Interesting
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karan malhi
Secondly, as per my understanding, the servlet container is being freed up for more upcoming requests, but is basically queuing up the requests internally and then responding to the queued requests. Wouldnt "handling the queued request" involve a "thread" (some system resource). Maybe I am missing something here, but how is this more scalable. To me it appears that we are focussing more on taking care of one side of the load (requests) and letting the other side (responses) take care of itself.
Why couldnt something like this be done in an MVC framework and why we needed continutations (After all the snapshot of the state for a particular request could be stored in the HttpSession anyways).
Re: Does JRockit's thinthreads solve this problem?
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Alex Popescu
./alex
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Re: Interesting
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Alex Popescu
This is pretty interesting. However, there should be a way of not to resubmit the request after the continuation resumes. Couldnt the previous request object be stored in the Continuation itself (since continuation represents a snapshot of a state)?
IMO this should be pretty doable, but I am not sure if it covers all usage scenarios.
Secondly, as per my understanding, the servlet container is being freed up for more upcoming requests, but is basically queuing up the requests internally and then responding to the queued requests. Wouldnt "handling the queued request" involve a "thread" (some system resource). Maybe I am missing something here, but how is this more scalable. To me it appears that we are focussing more on taking care of one side of the load (requests) and letting the other side (responses) take care of itself.
If I read it correctly, for this part the non-blocking response should be the answer. Indeed, you would need a parallel handling of responses, but with a non-blocking response system, you will however increase the responsiveness of the app.
Why couldnt something like this be done in an MVC framework[...]
I guess because it would be better to have a standard way to deal with it and not tens of custom solutions as per each framework (I think we have tens of web frameworks around :-]).
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Re: Interesting
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karan malhi
I guess because it would be better to have a standard way to deal with it and not tens of custom solutions as per each framework
Yes, I agree.
with a non-blocking response system, you will however increase the responsiveness of the app
So does this mean that we would need NIO support in the next version of the Servlet spec?
Re: Interesting
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Alex Popescu
with a non-blocking response system, you will however increase the responsiveness of the app
So does this mean that we would need NIO support in the next version of the Servlet spec?
I am not a servlet expert, but I think this will happen.
./alex
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Re: Does JRockit's thinthreads solve this problem?
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Mircea Crisan
Re: Does JRockit's thinthreads solve this problem?
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Alex Popescu
./alex
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AsyncWeb project
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Sean Sullivan
asyncweb.safehaus.org/
AsyncWeb (built on top of the excellent Mina network framework) employs non-blocking selector driven IO at the transport level, and is asynchronous thoughout - from the initial parsing of requests, right through to and including the services implemented by users.
AsyncWeb breaks away from the blocking request / response architecture found in todays popular HTTP engines. This allows it to be highly scalable and capable of supporting very high throughput - even in high processing latency scenarios.
The AsyncWeb API is interesting:
asyncweb.safehaus.org/APIOverview
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