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Modifiability: Or is there Design in Agility?
Presented by
Martin Fowler
on
Oct 15, 2007
Length 00:58:21
- Sections
- Process & Practices,
- Architecture & Design
- Topics
- Agile ,
- Methodologies ,
- Architecture ,
- Design
- Tags
- QCon ,
- Refactoring
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Summary
Many people assume that agile methods mean an absence of design. Design still happens in agile projects, but it shifts from an up-front phase to a continual evolution. Design decisions should be left to the last responsible moment, but some design decisions do need to be made at the start of a project. Martin Fowler explores this topic through a panel discussion of design in an agile context.
Bio
Martin Fowler is a pioneer of object-oriented technology, refactoring, patterns, agile methodologies, domain modeling, UML, and Extreme Programming - having written 5 books on some of these subjects. Martin's focus is in designing enterprise software - looking at what makes a good design and what practices are needed to come up with good design.
About the conference
QCon is a conference that is organized by the community, for the community.The result is a high quality conference experience where a tremendous amount of attention and investment has gone into having the best content on the most important topics presented by the leaders in our community.QCon is designed with the technical depth and enterprise focus of interest to technical team leads, architects, and project managers.
Many people assume that agile methods mean an absence of design. Design still happens in agile projects, but it shifts from an up-front phase to a continual evolution. Design decisions should be left to the last responsible moment, but some design decisions do need to be made at the start of a project. Martin Fowler explores this topic through a panel discussion of design in an agile context.
Bio
Martin Fowler is a pioneer of object-oriented technology, refactoring, patterns, agile methodologies, domain modeling, UML, and Extreme Programming - having written 5 books on some of these subjects. Martin's focus is in designing enterprise software - looking at what makes a good design and what practices are needed to come up with good design.
About the conference
QCon is a conference that is organized by the community, for the community.The result is a high quality conference experience where a tremendous amount of attention and investment has gone into having the best content on the most important topics presented by the leaders in our community.QCon is designed with the technical depth and enterprise focus of interest to technical team leads, architects, and project managers.
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I really enjoyed this Panel @ QCon london, I ve been waiting for this video for almost half a year now! Also another video i am expecting soon is the "The Yawning Crevasse of Doom" keynote with Fowler and North.
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To watch them offline, is there a way to download the videos and presentations?
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Yeah, would be really nice. I always get problems watching videos on InfoQ, for some reason - the video "gets stuck" after 10 to 15 minutes of playing, and the only fix is to stop it, start from the beginning and drag the playback icon to the place it got stuck.
Well, today this fix just doesn't work. Perhaps because I'm using Safari on a Mac? Anyway, this is too frustrating, so I give up... which is a shame, because the panel discussion seems really interesting, and I've enjoyed the 25 minutes I succeeded watching. -
Am missing that as well. Would like to share it with my team on a big screen.
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Sorry guys, we are working on a new system that will make some of these problems go away, but it may not be up for another month or two. In the meantime there is now way to download these or go full screen. MP3 versions should be added later on as well.
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Yikes, this one ends in mid sentence? Bummer.
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Sorry I meant that there is "no" way to download these or go full screen.
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I have been creating custom software for 25 years and I now feel less
lonely on Earth.
Since I started to write software, I used to postpone decisions until time was up
to address them, I used to design evolution capabilities in my design, I used to
understand the business model and simulate processes to insure my software could bend
to potentially new uses not in the immediate scope of the project at hand,...
And I never has to use a book about design patterns to find the appropriate one...
I never understood "architects" these days to spit out
tons of papers describing the system down to the tiniest bolt before spitting out the
first line of code. We have much more powerful tools now to refactor software than
just a text editor, a compiler and a linker...
To me it looks like bullshit to postpone the implementation as much as possible.
It's code that makes a system run business processes, not the paper around it.
I saw many "so called architects" adopt a rigid design from the start to end up failing at user acceptance
tests, busting budgets, missing time to market deadlines, or ending up with a solution that is not flexible enough
to adapt to new business needs. This happens too often to be anything else than
a bad approach to creating software systems.
These "so called architects" leave projects just before failure
and propagate their bad practices elsewhere.
It's about time that the industry rethinks it's approach to creating softwares.
It looks to me that we went through a creativity drought for several years
were software projects were assimilated to mechanicals processes that were to yield a
working implementation. Experience in delivering projects from 0 to production is
not recognized since the belief in these mechanical methods to deliver software is
deeply anchored in the industry.
Creativity and experience are essentials in a project. Since the parameters are never the same (time to market, budget, business domain, ...) there is no single recipe that can work for
every project. Nonetheless that mirage of a bureaucratic process has been sought
by the industry for years and I think it relegated creativity and experience to limbos.
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Oh man! Just when he was about to talk about something i'm very interested in learning about - database schemas!! What's the story?? Can we get the rest of the presentation?
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The Flash presentation gets stuck at "Initializing".
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For me it gets to a little after 46 minutes, then jumps to 0:00 (black screen with play button).
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After reloading the page it gets to 58:21 - the full length of the video, but not quite the end of the session.
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How is an insurance policy waste? I think semantics are getting people confused, or waste is not really waste, or people are choosing their words poorly.
Josh
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