An Interview with HAL Creator Mike Kelly

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Designing, implementing, and maintaining APIs for the Web is more than a challenge; for many companies, it is an imperative. This series takes the reader on a journey from determining the business case for APIs to a design methodology, meeting implementation challenges, and taking the long view on maintaining public APIs on the Web over time. Along the way there are interviews with influential individuals and even a suggested reading list on APIs and related topics.

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Mike Kelly is a software entrepreneur and founder of Stateless, an API consultancy firm assisting companies with their strategy, design and implementation challenges. Kelly currently resides in the small city of Winchester outside London with his wife and their three children. Active in the Web space since he was a teenager, Kelly is a well-known voice in the API and REST communities.

In 2011 he released the Hypertext Application Language (HAL) media type for APIs. Since that time, HAL has grown to be the dominant hypermedia format for APIs and Mike Kelly is considered one of the leading experts in Web APIs. He does not often attend public events but recently made an exception and participated in the 2014 API-Craft event in Detroit, MI where he talked about HAL and about the future of hypermedia and APIs in general.

Not long after that event, we were able to have a conversation with Mike to talk about his reasons for creating HAL and his experiences over the last three years with web developers and the API community.

InfoQ:  It was in July 2011 that the Hypertext Application Language (HAL) media type was registered with the IANA. What was your motivation to create HAL?

Mike: I was working with a client on the new API of their SaaS product. The roadmap for the product included significant backend changes which were going to affect URL structures in the API. I wanted to design the API so that we could roll out those changes with as little friction as possible, and hypermedia seemed like the ideal style for that.

InfoQ: So, one the key goals was to lessen the impact of "change over time"?

Mike: Right. Another objective was to optimise the developer onboarding experience since API integration was a key value proposition of the product and a key driver of sales. For me that meant we needed to have clear, accessible documentation and the API itself had to be easy to play around with.
For that, I wanted to build an API browser that would allow developers to jump around and explore the API and its documentation in a similar way you do with a web app. So I needed a general purpose format we could use across the whole API that we could then build a browser against.

InfoQ: So you initially created HAL to solve a problem for one of your projects. To use Eric Raymond's words, you "scratched an itch" you had. So, if HAL was built to solve your SaaS problem, how did it grow to be such a common format used by so many others?

Mike: Well the approach seemed to work really well, so I shared the idea with some other people in the API space by sketching out some examples of a new general purpose format based on JSON. Feedback was really positive and a couple of people even started to adopt this sketched-out format in their APIs. Momentum built and, to cut a long story short, I ended up having to build a web page describing the sketch in more detail (I called it the Hypermedia Application Language, or HAL) and this eventually evolved into a formal internet draft.

InfoQ:  HAL was the first in a wave of new API-centric media types registered in the last few years. What do you think is going on here? Why are these new designs popping up now?

Mike: I think there's a growing realisation that, although our APIs may cover very different business domains, there's a lot of common territory shared in terms of architectural style. Media types are a way we can start to collectively map some of this territory on the web of APIs and allow us to develop and share tools and techniques that are applicable to a broad range of problems.

InfoQ: Yes, on the idea of "common territory", one of the important design choices of HAL is that it focuses on 'just links and resources' in the message and relies on human readable documentation to explain how to manipulate those resources using HTTP methods. Why did you design HAL this way?

Mike: I find that most APIs I work on need to optimise the developer onboarding experience because it is what drives up key success metrics like API-user acquisition and activation. In my opinion, to achieve this you need concise API messages and rich, human readable documentation that clearly demonstrates to developers what those messages will look like.

InfoQ: So your design relies on both a machine-readable format and human-readable documentation. What about the idea that the message should contain all the details for executing a transition such as the arguments, method names, etc.?

Mike: I think there is a law of diminishing returns when adding features to a media type - more is not always better, since more features mean more burden for consumers of the format. HAL is my interpretation of where the sweet spot lies in hypermedia type design.

InfoQ: In early 2014, it was announced that Amazon's AppStream API was using HAL. What role did you play in helping Amazon learn how to use HAL for their API?

Mike: Encouragingly, I didn't play any direct role at all. I think this is a good indication that HAL's design and specification are heading in the right direction. APIs using HAL are popping up all over the place, it's impossible to keep track of them!

InfoQ: So the API community is just picking this up on their own and solving problems with HAL. I know you have a mailing list for HAL (HAL Discuss) and it seems like a pretty active list. Lots of people asking questions and sharing experiences with HAL I noticed, though that you don't seem to post a lot there. Why is that?

Mike: Another promising thing that's been happening is that I am not having to answer many questions or give advice on the mailing list any more, since the community of HAL adopters are actively sharing their experience and interpretations of the spec. I think that's a really healthy thing because, at this point, HAL has evolved beyond my intended design and is actually about what I managed to communicate and how that has been interpreted and deployed by the community. Fortunately, those two things seem to be largely in unison!

InfoQ: I don't have any figures, it seems that, of the new API designs that have come out in the last few years, HAL is the most-used hypermedia format. Is that true? and why do you think that's happening? Why are so many developers attracted to HAL?

Mike: I don't have any figures on that either, but I would agree it does seem that way. I'd like to think this was because HAL's design is well balanced and introduces hypermedia without compromising too much on the simplicity of JSON. In reality, it's probably partly that and partly that it just appeared in the right place at the right time.

InfoQ: Right, this gets back to something we talked about earlier about your design decisions. For example, one topic that comes up with some regularity on the HAL Discuss mailing list is the fact that HAL lacks inline "forms" like those in HTML, Siren, Collection+JSON, and a few others. What do you say to people who want to add these features to the HAL spec?

Mike: Whilst it is possible to try and add more dynamic affordances to HAL, I've actively resisted doing that because I feel that the added complexity of doing so damages the developer experience by making the messages less concise and at the same doesn't solve enough real world problems which cannot be solved using a simpler design.
One of the reasons often cited for needing forms in an API message is that they're required for a GUI application. My issue with this is that HTML is a perfectly adequate hypermedia format for representing GUI forms - it's ubiquitous and developers are very familiar with it. Most of the media types that are introducing forms in JSON seem to be reinventing that relatively complicated wheel, which seems like a lot of effort for not very much gain.

InfoQ: So you really see HAL as a format for machine-to-machine (M2M) use. And you don't see the concept of this added information inline very useful for machines, right?

Mike: My opinions on forms intended for M2M are probably a whole other interview on its own! In summary, I'm very skeptical and I haven't seen many compelling examples (theoretical, or real world) that convince me they are worth the added complexity.
Having said all of that, a while ago I did sketch out an extension to HAL called HALO which would introduce this type of dynamic affordance. People are interested in it but, to be honest, I don't really feel convinced enough about it's usefulness to push it forward right now.

InfoQ: Over a year ago, you started a HAL RFC. The current document has expired. Do you have plans to pick this up again?

Mike: Yes, I recently sent out a call to action on hal-discuss asking for some final feedback and adjustments to the specification. If any readers have input to share here please raise a pull request!

InfoQ: It's been three years since you first published HAL. Looking back, is there anything you might have done differently? Anything you know now that you wish you'd known then?

Mike: I'm fairly happy with the way things have gone and how things have worked out.
I probably should have written and released the HAL browser sooner, since seeing that has really made things "click" for a lot of people. Also, I should have proactively engaged high profile open source web frameworks like rails-api and ember.js in their early stages; since they're good candidates to adopt a general purpose media type like HAL as their default message format, which would make adopting HAL even easier. I should mention there are actually third party HAL libraries for both rails and ember, and for many other languages and frameworks too.

InfoQ: OK, one more question: It seems every few months a new format appears. As one of the first in this new wave of media-type designers, do you have any advice to those out there thinking about doing what you did -- creating a new media type?

Mike: My advice would be not to worry too much about having the longest feature list. The shorter your specification, the better. Scratch an itch, don't look for a problem to solve. Don't try to sound clever, use plain language and simple examples. Make sure you share it with others a early as possible so that you can iterate on the wording and make it as clear as possible. And finally, try to avoid reinventing HTML in JSON!

About the Interviewee

Mike Kelly is a software entrepreneur and founder of the API consultancy Stateless - assisting companies with their strate gy, design and implementation challenges. He lives just outside London in a small city called Winchester with my wife and three children. Mike work primarily with clients in London and Europe and recently traveled to Detroit, Michigan as a guest speaker and panelist for Apigee's API Craft event where he talked about Hypermedia APIs and his very popular hypermedia design named Hypertext Application Language (HAL).



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API versioning and actions by Jean-Jacques Dubray


a couple of questions come to mind.

How sensitive is HAL to API versioning? As you know a lot of RESTafarians have recommended baking the version of the API in the resource paths (an obvious coupling between identity of the resource and access to it):

/v1/orders/523 vs /orders/523

How does HAL deal with that issue? if at all? Some resource may want too link to the representation as returned by a specific version while others may want to link to the latest, or a consumer may decide single-handedly which version of the API it wants to invoke. Perhaps you are suggesting that we use the resource identity in the href value and versions are dealt with out-of-band, in the human readable documentation?

You talk about "links" between "resources", in the Web world, hypermedia is as much about actions as it is about resource links. Do you plan to extend HAL to support actions such as submit, cancel, pay,... an order, or do you suggest people reify these concepts behind resource links, if so how do you specify which HTTP verb should be applied to the link?

Re: API versioning and actions by Mike Kelly

HAL provides a couple of useful affordances for dealing with “versioning”:

Firstly, link relations can be used to manage change. Supposing at some point in your API you have a link to your order with the relation “v1:order”:

"v1:order”: { “href”: “...” }

When you eventually reach the point where you need to introduce a breaking change to the target order (e.g. renaming a required field), then you can introduce another link with the relation “v2:order”, in parallel, that supersedes the old link:

"v1:order”: { “href”: “...” }
"v2:order”: { “href”: “...” }

You are then free to decide exactly when the end of life of the “v1:order” link is - at which point the link is removed from the message. Here the versioning is managed, and change applied, on a granular per-transition basis.

The second affordance HAL provides is link deprecation i.e. HAL links have an optional deprecation property.

The HAL spec states that when a client traverses over a link that has this property present then it should log a warning message to its maintainer. In the above example, you would use it like this:

"v1:order”: { “href”: “…”, “deprecation”: “…." }
"v2:order”: { “href”: “...” }

Now, all the clients that are yet to be updated to use the new order link, should start logging warning messages to their maintainers. The deprecation property is also meant to be a URL that provides further information about the deprecation.

Re: API versioning and actions by Jean-Jacques Dubray

That's an elegant solution. That way you can still encode the version of the API in the path if you choose to or, alternatively, at some point the HAL library could implement a standard versioning strategy mechanism. In that case you may consider a more compact definition:

"order" : { "href":"...",
"versions": [
{"v":1, "deprecated":true},
{"v":3, "beta":true} ...

Along these lines, you could also continue the API definition with media types:

"versions": [
{"v":1, "deprecated":true},
{"v":2, "latest":true} ...
"accepts" : ["details","summary"]

The media types would be used to populate the Accept header (application/details, application/summary...)

I would say that in general you are always better off not using bespoke parsing mechanisms to access metadata. It's a bit less efficient in message size, but so much more efficient for humans to read.

You may also consider a "manifest" for the hypermedia. Instead of sending the same information back-end-forth, you could just pass a link to a manifest, that way it could be cached and allow for "static" implementations that do not rely on it at runtime but appreciate the style.

I like HAL, can't wait to see it when you implement action-oriented mechanisms (aka forms) ;-)

JSON-LD / Hydra by Jean-Jacques Dubray

I also found this new spec, JSON-LD which seems quite promising. I don't know if you could comment on how it compares to HAL. For instance they already have operations.

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