Keynote: The Future of Java Innovation
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RE: Keynote: The Future of Java Innovation
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A D
The spring crowd really needs to stop using FUD around Java and JEE to push its own agenda.
yup
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Bill Burke
java language
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serge ----
Half truth.
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Christopher Churchill
There is something fundamentally wrong about the Rails platform, that does not allow its performance to move beyond a certain level.
Like keeping a civic engine inside a Ferrari. All show, and no go. It may be easy to develop, but that doesnt mean I need to wait ages to see my pages.
Re: Half truth.
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serge ----
We of WC Duck advice you... WC Duck
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adrian collheart
Somehow Rod reminds me of this salesman.
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Oliver Gierke
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A D
Once Glassfish V3 is out, it will simply toast tc server, dm server and springsource knows it very well.
Groovy is good but network operation guys use perl.
Would reserve my comments on Spring Poo ....
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adrian collheart
Curiously wonder what you expect of a keynote of an event driven by the company Rod speaks for, discussing technologies of the company Rod stands for?
You are right that every such talk naturally leads to telling people how great their own products are. This is basically excepted by everyone and this is not really the problem. What the problem is, is the fact that Spring people and especially Rod make it sound like they are criticizing Java (EE) because the goodness in their hearts tell them to warn fellow developers. Their pitch is so slick that many people actually seem to belief it. When Rod says "Stateless Session Beans in EJB3 suck", he doesn't really say "Stateless Session Beans in EJB3 suck". What he actually says is "Use Spring and when you're stuck, buy our support contract". That's all there is to it, it's a sales pitch and very little more.
Once again, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a sales pitch, but for some reason some people do not see it as such. They seem to see it as something that is almost akin to a report obtained from scientific research, but it really is just a sales pitch.
In recent years, luckily, more and more people have started to see this. It became painfully clear that Rod is not the 'benevolent dictator' that gives the poor mislead Java programmers all this nice and totally free stuff. Rod is a businessman, out there to make a buck like everyone else. Next to that, people have actually started trying to use EJB3 and discovered for themselves that it doesn't suck at all. Actually, for some people it has been nothing less of a revelation, trying their first SLB and crying: "Hey, this stuff is pretty easy, lightweight and cool. Rod has been lying to us all those years:.
Use of aliases in this thread
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Floyd Marinescu
thanks,
Floyd
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Matt Giacomini
I don't think there is anyone out there that hates Spring fan boys more then myself, and for that matter there are many things about Rod that I don't like.
That said, I hope that Rod keeps the heat up on the JEE community at large and Sun/Oracle. The competition has made for a much better JEE stack and, in my view, has pushed the expert groups to innovate faster then they would have otherwise.
~Matt
So down on Spring
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Matt Newboult
Competition and FUD
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Paul Dotsenko
Peace,
Spring fan boy
Great ideas...
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William Barker
#fail 2+ hour keynote (yawn)
#fail Java Rock Stars thinking live coding is entertaining
#fail Spring Management Demo
Re: Half truth.
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Michael Mullany
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