Mingle 1.0 Released: Reactions
- three-month recurring subscription for $177 ($59 per month, $708 per year)
- six-month recurring subscriptions are discounted 10% over the three-month price price, or $318.60 ($53.10 per month, $637.20 per year)
- twelve-month recurring subscriptions are discounted 20%, or $566.40 ($47.20 per month, $566.40 per year)
Eleutian SpeakENG Development Blog's first impressions overview:
It's slick. It's flexible. It's... a little slow. ... That said, we're using it.Silver Stripe Blog's reactions to a demo:
One of the things I expected was that the tool would be very agile specific. It turns out that because of the wa[y] properties can be defined, it’s a very generalised tool. I was talking to Mahesh Krshnan, the Project Manager for Mingle in Bangalore, and he was telling me how you can use it for tasks as varied as managing conference calls and bug tracking by creating appropriate custom properties. While this makes the tool very generalisable, it also means that its hard to take advantage of agile specific knowledge.Kamal Fariz Mahyuddin on Accunote vs. Mingle:
My take on it: use Acunote to get you off the ground quickly but invest time in perfecting your ideal project management tool with Mingle's cards, transitions and MQLOn another front, Jordan of the Corkboard blog questions the use of JRuby:
What ThoughtWorks should have done is leverage their authority to make Ruby and Rails more accepted. Rather than wasting time with JRuby, which I feel has no long term value, they could have made the world’s greatest Rails deployment system.For more information, read about Mingle's features and its use of JRuby, or visit the project's web page.
Another Reaction - Negative
Re: Another Reaction - Negative
I found it a snap to install and a joy to use.
Unimpressed, but has potential - not really ready for prime time.
What I was unhappy with is the lack of features. There are no daily burndown charts (at best you can create a Mingle query to show burndown for the whole iteration - but you cannot review data in a historical context). Product backlogs cannot be implicitly prioritized - you have to use assigned values. The backlog / card filter has a lot to be desired. Parent/child relationships are vague and a nightmare to manage if you try to use them (because they offer no accordion/collapsable views in their lists - everything is all on the same level regardless of generation).
In short I feel the product has a lot of potential, and it's moving in the right direction, however my team voted to continue using VersionOne for now because of the lack of features. They felt that it was more work to manage their day-to-day in the tool than in V1 (both developers and product manager). Myself I couldn't see myself paying for this application until it offers a more complete solution for Scrum teams (including historical data, burndowns, and better backlog management).
The only other thing is it's a little slow ... not sure if JRuby is to blame for that.
(Note: I don't work for V1, and I've got real-world experience with teams using both RallyDev and VersionOne. I really am excited to see what Mingle looks like in 3-6 months, but right now it's not ready imho.)
In any case, we found V1 to be better than Rally, which seemed to be pretty half baked and far too structured to be used in a collaborative project environment.
Until now, we had settled on Trac only because it was the only thing that came close to our needs, however, we do not have a full time python hacker on staff, and keeping the installation tuned up is just not appetizing to us in the long term. It's ugly too.
We are really enjoying using Mingle so far. It does what we need, and we like the philosophy behind it. We also feel we can count on the fact that we will continue to see the product improve, as opposed to some of the others.
Despite the fact that there are not as many features in Mingle as some other tools, I actually find this to be a good thing. My team is interested in actually focusing on their project rather than how to use the software. Mingle is amazingly intuitive.
We love the filtering and saved views, but my personal favorite thing is the rich history detail with the ability to subscribe to absolutely any event in the project. Tres cool!
Re: Another Reaction - Negative
I had some installation issues with the Linux version, but those were rectified with improved instructions long before the final release. Personally, I think the /idea/ behind Mingle is interesting, and I'm looking forward to it gaining a few more features that I think will make it even more compelling.
I'm not sure I'd replace the tools I already use for issue tracking with Mingle at this point, but I don't think doing so would be a bad decision. I'm looking forward to hearing more about how people feel about the final release, and to see new versions.
But, then, this isn't really about my feelings, it's about yours, and I'm glad to see some of you adding your voices.
I just think that it isn't ready, it was only in beta for 1 month. And to charge as much per license as VerionOne or RallyDev when a lot of features are lacking (see my above comment) I think is questionable. In any event I really like where it is going - but for our team it just isn't ready for us yet.
Mingle evolved customization to extreme. It is a framework, not a usual tool. It is good and bad at the same time. There are many problems with generalization. It is too easy to lost context. For example, Iteration is Mingle is just a property of Card. It is not a separate entity. Nice. However iteration always has start and end date as well as velocity. As a result it is impossible to associate velocity with iteration in Mingle. The better approach is to allow users to create own entities. Then user may create Iteration entity with required properties, make association with user story and create custom reports, lists, etc. This conception is more viable than Mingle ’single entity’ approach (BTW, SalesForce has this feature for example). I am not sure whether Mingle will be a huge success, but I see many limitation is generalized approach…
Cost Comparison - Does Mingle Cost More?
I mean I really don't understand their pricing model. If you're hosting my app I can appreciate a per-user license, because you assume that each user will use X bandwidth, X diskspace, X CPU, etc. But I'm hosting it on my own machines, on my own network, etc. why would Mingle care how many users are using the software, other than greed? It doesn't cost them any more or less if 5 or 100 users are using the software.
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