In this podcast recorded at Agile 2019, Shane Hastie, Lead Editor for Culture & Methods, spoke to Steve Milligan about his work in Agile Finance and bringing the back-office along on the agile transformation journey.
Key Takeaways
- The funding of agile initiatives has been largely left outside of the scope of transformation efforts, which results in dysfunction and cross purpose
- Agile finance introduces structure so that financial aspects (target setting, budgeting, expenditure and reporting) become synergistic and add to the positive impact of transformation
- Attitude changes need to start with the agile coaching and transformation change agents – they self-constrain and are biased against working with finance groups
- The need to move from static budgets to activity-based budgets and investigate ideas like Beyond Budgeting
- The authoritative bodies (SEC, AICPA) have issued guidance for the accounting profession regarding investigating and determining the applicability of concepts like Beyond Budgeting
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Show Notes
- 00:24 Introductions
- 00:46 Bringing the viewpoint and background of a finance person looking at agile ways of working
- 01:00 Breaking down the silos around finance and other back-office functions
- 01:16 Agility has largely been focused on product development
- 01:43 The funding of agile initiatives has been largely left outside of the scope of transformation efforts, which results in dysfunction and cross purpose
- 02:06 Exploring the back-office functions
- 02:16 Understanding the difference between local impediments which can be resolved through collaboration and true roadblocks which may need, for example, legislative change
- 02:40 Agile finance introduces structure so that financial aspects (target setting, budgeting, expenditure and reporting) become synergistic and add to the positive impact of transformation
- 03:11 This is contrary to the common perception of finance as a constraint
- 03:29 Fixed thinking is an even larger constraint – the need to move beyond thinking of finance as a blocker and explore how to be collaborative and synergistic
- 04:00 Advice for finance people – don’t be left out of agile transformations, learn and find ways to better assist and enable business agility
- 04:38 Agile processes have a batter fit with the stewardship and compliance responsibilities of finance than traditional approaches
- 05:42 It’s possible to improve the finance processes without destroying them – there is no natural antagonism between agility and financial compliance
- 06:10 Change needs to start with the agile coaching and transformation change agents – they self-constrain and are biased against working with finance groups
- 06:38 The importance of communication with areas of the business that are often ignored – eg the PMO
- 07:01 This also results in the need to put financial metrics into the outcome measurements for agile transformation
- 07:40 The authoritative bodies (SEC, AICPA) have issued guidance for the accounting profession regarding investigating and determining the applicability of concepts like Beyond Budgeting
- 08:00 The need to move from static budgets to activity-based budgets
- 08:19 Explaining the difference between activity-based budgeting vs traditional static budgeting
- 09:38 Agility is about moving from the pretence of predictability towards more scientific forecasting with self-correcting approaches
- 10:00 The comparison with self-driving cars able to respond to more complex environments as the technology improves
- 10:14 A learning system does not guarantee certainty (nothing can) it generates improved feedback which enables more effective course correction
- 10:30 Introducing and explaining OKRs – Objectives and Key Results
- 11:05 An example of how a high-level objective cascades through OKRs
- 11:28 Start with why
- 11:43 OKRs can evolve over time
- 12:00 The environment we live in today is volatile, uncertain, complex and ambiguous and we need to find ways to deal with this
- 12:38 Advice for finance people in organisations adopting agile approaches – get involved, educate yourself, look for synergies, be open to new ways of working and achieving the compliance needs
- 14:01 Advice for agile transformation leads to engage finance people on the journey – tell the stories, communicate, educate and look for synergies
- 14:58 Advocating for regulation change to mandate agile processes as the default approach unless there is a compelling reason not to
- 15:32 If we assume we don’t understand each other, we miss valuable opportunities for conversation
Mentioned:
- Agile 2019
- AICPA – Agile Finance
- SEC
- Beyond Budgeting
- Objectives and Key Results
- Book: Start with Why
- Steve on Email
- Agilious